Eurgh, no! Not that kind…. SHAMpoo. Honestly, what kind of a girl do you think I am?
I’ve just washed (‘bathed’ sounds all wrong for a process that left me soaked through… ‘water wrestled’?) I’ve just water-wrestled the boy into some semblance of cleanliness before bed and remembered a whole area of expenditure I left off ‘The Rules’ but eagle eyed readers pointed out – kiddy toiletries.
Shampoo… toothpaste… he has his own soap and bubbles too and some snazzy organic creams that we bought in the pregnancy shopping craze and never really used much after.
But the creams aside, the rest we’ve gone on buying. Can we stop? Is this one of the areas you really can’t cut corners on and have to spend money on?
To find out, I spoke to Dr Chris Flower, biologist and toxicologist, Director General of the Cosmetic, Toiletry and Perfumery Association, father and grandfather.
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Me: What are the main differences (if any) between the baby or child shampoos on the market and adult shampoos?
CF: The chief distinction is that ordinary shampoos, (what you’ve called ‘adult’ ones and I’d call ‘family shampoos’,) are often based on lauryl sulphates to clean the hair. These are effective but if they get into the eye they can sting.
Shampoos designed and marketed for babies and infants use milder detergents. They are more expensive and actually they don’t clean as well. But they don’t sting eyes as much, and infant hair doesn’t get that dirty anyway.
Me: So if you were to use family shampoo on a toddler and didn’t get it in their eyes, would there be any other dangers or disadvantages?
CF: Babies’ skin toughens up quite quickly, really. It only takes a few months before it is as good a barrier as an adult’s at keeping chemicals out and water in. So other than stinging the eyes, there’s no real reason you shouldn’t wash a two-year old’s hair with an ordinary family shampoo. You won’t need much and you must make sure it is washed out thoroughly.
Shampoos marketed at children, as opposed to babies, might have less detergent in them so that kids can splash around without stinging their eyes, but otherwise, they’re really only distinguished by things like packaging, or bright colour and attractive smell, designed to appeal to children.
Me: Clearly, some people choose organic because they think it is the right choice for their whole family. But are there any reasons why babies might need organic ingredients more than adults do?
CF: No, there is no research to suggest that children would need organic any more than adults. There are lots of great organic brands out there, but organic is a lifestyle choice, it is not to do with safety.
All products, however expensive and whoever they are aimed at, have to be proved safe for ‘normal use’ and also for ‘forseeable use’.
Now it’s perfectly foreseeable that someone might use an adult shampoo on their child, so that outcome has to be proven safe for it to go on the market. It might sting for a short while if it gets in their eyes, it might even taste awful if some splashes in their mouth, but it will not do them any harm.
Me: What about shower gels and soaps? Is there any reason not to use ordinary ones and opt for child and baby specific ones?
CF: Again, there are often milder detergents in the skin cleansers aimed at babies. Perfume can cause some people, adults or children, trouble, so children and baby products are often less highly perfumed.
In ordinary shower gels, scent is sometimes added to mask the smell of other ingredients, which sometimes smell rather unpleasant. Ones for babies and children might use perfumes that wash out quickly, only masking the smell while the product is being used rather than staying on and perfuming the skin afterwards.
But previous generations survived perfectly well with ordinary soap and water. If you use your common sense, and don’t use a heavily scented shower gel on your child, you will be fine.
As long as make sure it is rinsed thoroughly, taking particular care of creases on elbows, for example, that might be missed, it will do your child absolutely no harm.
Me: What about toothpastes: are ordinary, adult toothpastes unsuitable for toddlers?
CF: That’s an interesting one, because there’s a difference of opinion in the academic world.
Fluoride protects against decay and research indicates that there needs to be at least 1,000 parts per million for it to be effective. The maximum allowed in cosmetic products (that’s everything not specially prescribed by a dentist) is 1,500 parts per million.
Now one concern is that too much fluoride causes fluorosis, which is a slight mottling of the teeth so that you get little white dots on the surface. Structurally, the teeth are very strong because of the fluoride, there is nothing wrong with them, so fluorosis is purely a cosmetic issue.
Fluorosis is more likely to arise from excess fluoride absorbed through the blood, not through the surface of the teeth, so to avoid fluorosis, basically, you have to avoid swallowing too much fluoride. That’s why children’s toothpaste will say on the tube, “always supervise brushing and only use a pea sized amount”.
But there’s another body of thought that says you should avoid fluorosis by decreasing the fluoride levels in the toothpaste itself.
So some brands of children’s toothpaste only have 500 parts per million. Others will have the same levels as any other, ordinary, family toothpaste and the only difference is the design, packaging, nice flavours and colours.
Every type of toothpaste will say how much fluoride it has in it, so that you can check for yourself. It will read: ‘x’ ppmF [‘x’ being the parts per million of fluoride in the product]
Both bodies of thought are equally respected. So you could use ordinary toothpaste on a toddler without worry. Just teach them to spit it out so that aren’t swallowing the fluoride. That’s the most important thing. Actually, the irony is that the childrens’ toothpastes that are made to taste nicely of fudge or strawberries could be more likely to be swallowed.
Me: Are there any real ‘nasties’ in the ingredients of some toiletries that parents should watch out for when buying for their child?
CF: There are one or two ingredients that are used in some products and which aren’t advised for usage on particular age groups.
But the good thing is that products have to be clearly labelled as being ‘not suitable’ for that age group if they contain those ingredients. So you will always be able to tell.
Finally, if you have any questions about cosmetic products, do visit our website at www.thefactsabout.co.uk.


It might be worth checking whether you have fluoride in your water locally. In our county we have no fluoride and our health promotion department gives out basic family toothpaste (With 1000ppm) to children to encourage brushing and get the message out to families that some children’s toothpaste doesn’t have enough fluoride in it to provide protection. And that these basic toothpastes are safe for children. I know this because I give out the packs as part if my job!
Such an interesting post, it’s really made me think about our toiletries and the choices I make. Thank you for the insight!
Kate
Just Pirouette and Carry On…
Watched you on TV in Australia this morning. Lots of excellent ideas and I never knew that within walking distance of my home is a Freecycle network….never heard of it before. Thanks for all your tips they are not just for people with babies I am a nana of 10.
You might even consider getting rid of shampoo all together. We just se a bit of baking soda and water to cleanse our daughter’s hair about once a week. It’s called “no poo” and cleans perfectly well without all those chemicals in regular hair care products. When we do use soap we used Dr. Bronner’s Castille soap with a dilution of water of 8 to 1. Works really well for us.
Just water is perfectly adequate for rinsing off normal accumulations of dirt. If you don’t strip the natural oils away with shampoo, then the hair shaft stays protected and dirt rinses away easily. Consider that most cats never get bathed with shampoo or anything, and usually their coats are in beautiful condition. Our brains get brainwashed with advertising and our heads get washed with totally unnecessary detergents!
I don’t use shampoo on my kids (both under 5) at all and they have great hair! Instead of bath bubbles, salt is a great addition to bathwater (think bath salts) and I use aloe vera straight from the plant for nappy rash! I have stuck with kids toothpaste though, although you can in theory substitute bicarbonate of soda… I make sure they use tiny amounts of toothpaste though and it lasts for ages!
I loved seeing you on TV this morning. You handled it really well. Congrats! My twin 3yo boys both have eczma so weve never used soaps. I put this into the “medical” basket and will continue to buy the Alpha Keri wash, but its really ecomonical anyway. But once you put this into the bath water, I dont add anything else for the hair – it does from tip to toe
Thanks for the info. Like the rest of your blog – It was a great read.
A toothbrush and a tube of toothpaste (unless he likes your mint stuff) is all you really need.
Just came to your blog via Parentdish (I write for them), and I feel completely inspired by what you are doing – I will be following closely and picking up tips along the way – well done for doing this – fantastic!
A bit embarrassed to admit that I’ve never washed my two-year-old son’s hair — it smells fine and seems quite clean. He gets the occasional hosing down after swimming. We have some (very expensive) organic bubble bath that he gets for a special treat. We use washable wipes with plain water most of the time and that seems to keep him clean. He had an episode of eczema on the backs of the knees before he was one, but apart from that we’ve had no problems (unless you count me occasionally sending him to nursery with pen all over his face because I can’t catch him to clean it off).
We use one shampoo for our 3 boys( a nit repellant shampoo (necessary with 2 at school) and 1 adult shampoo,. This was a big step for be as before my ‘mummy years’
I used fancy pants shampoos! For tooth paste 3 & 4 yr old use a plain children’s toothpaste and rest of us use whatever’s on offer! I’ve tried one toothpaste for all but I like the stronger tasting ones which taste too strong for the smalls!
One nice and relaxing lavender organic shower gel/shampoo does it just before bedtime. Hair only gets washed occasionally ( specifically when he’s been rolling around in mud!!) Kids mint toothpaste and an organic moisturiser for the dry skin. That’s it. I remember reading somewhere that 60% ( I think) of the chemicals you put on your skin soak through. I think I would be less keen on the idea of all those chemicals on the inside. But as all the products are used sparingly ( ever frugal…… for that read stingy!!!) they last ages.
Ok, my 10 pence worth. I reckon you defo don’t need baby related products. But I do think you need no crap chemicals. If that means they’ve slapped the word organic on it so be it. But do check as I think recently watchdog (yes, I am that cool I watch it) found out a well known brand said they were organic and they had a tonne of crap in it. Someone like green people are amazing. UK based, better to buy at home… yes it is more expensive but that is because it is concentrated. It doesn’t foam up as much but that is because the foam is just there in cheap stuff to give you the impression you are washing it reeeeeeeally well. S has his hair washed maybe once a month – it never smells and unless he’s been rolling around in actual dirt I’m not worried. I hate the idea of harsh chemicals on his skin and mine too for that matter. We really thought we’d have an itchy baby. Ben has eczema and my father and brother are riddled with psoriasis so we were so careful about what we wash him in and so far so good. His skin really is baby smooth. I’d say wash in water and treat yourself to something half decent that goes a long way. Of course chemicals are cheap – big horrid corporations can afford to produce cheaply. But is good to know that no toxic crap goes down our plug hole killing plants or ending up in rivers etc. We save money and water (we’re on a meter) in the summer by bathing stan in the baby bath and then re-using our water for our plants… Oh yes, the organic shower gel that keeps on giving!
I have jsut listened to you on the radio and wanted to say well done you. When my children were born I did get sucked in to the money drain that advertisers use to guilt trip us to spend on our children. I currently don’t work ( not out of choice!) and so money is tight but I have always been a thrifty type, I grew up through two major recessions and learnt my lessons well from my parents. The result is that both my kids are aware that things cost more than they are worth, advertising is a con and both despite having desires for expensive gardgets ( one is a teenager) they realise that they can live with out them. And you are quiter right your son will not care less for quite a few years so you can make the best of it as long as health etc is taken in to account. At the end of the day my kids like going to second hand shops!, have more home cooked food than convieneince including snack and can use their money to have fun with friends rather than just trying to look like them. Good luck and well done.
Hi,
Just caught an interview on Radio 4 and that drew me to your blog. I’m a mum and a gran and I also make natural soapy stuff.
2 of my 3 kids had allergic reactions to some very well known baby products. I wish I knew 30 years ago what I know now and it could probably have been avoided. Sarah’s comments about the rubbish that’s added into products is so true. What’s worse is that most of those additives are unnecessary. Lots of foamy bubbles may be great, but not if the Ingredient which creates them causes your child to have irritated skin!
I think I’ve spent more time formulating our baby range than any of our other products. A well formulated product doesn’t need all the added ‘extras’, it should simply be soap, with loads of baby skin loving oils which will leave your baby/small child clean with moisturised skin. Tiny amounts of fragrance (we only use essential oils in ours) give it a nice smell, not a necessity but can be soothing/relaxing for both you and baby. Our daughter (baby’s mum) shares the baby products and her eczema has been kept at bay. My recommendation is to read the ingredients carefully, avoid unnecessary things like SLS/SLES and the parabens, make sure that its been formulated for baby skin too as even some things like essential oils can be too harsh for baby.
Looking forward to reading more about how you get on. BTW, I cut my kids hair too
Judging by her face, I’m not entirely convinced the doctor thought I was terribly funny nor clever when she asked what shampoo I use on Elspeth, to which I replied; L’oreal, because she’s worth it.
We’ve been using baking soda and water with a apple cider vinegar rinse for all of our hair for about 6 months now. It is a lot cheaper than buying shampoo & conditioner and our hair is beautiful as ever. Our children are 12.5 years, almost 4 and 22 months. They do just fine with it too.
I guess you could ask yourself if you really need to be using shampoo and soap at all on a regular basis? What are you achieving? A nice smell? A squeaky clean feeling? Social acceptance? I Am loving your blog. A lot to think about.
My pediatrician said it was just fine to use our usual unscented dove soap on baby skin.
There’s also the option of not washing them. No, seriously! My 4 and 1 year old bathe daily, but we only wash them with soap once every month or so (just when it seems needed). The reason for soap is that oils aren’t water soluble, so it’s difficult to get them off the skin without some detergent. Children, having not hit puberty yet, don’t have many gross oils on them. A simple rinse will get food, dirt, paint, and all the other fun toddler stuff right off. Best for skin to keep some natural oils anyway.
One advantage of the kiddie shampoos comes from the lack of stinging. If you accidentally get the shampoo in a child’s eyes at the wrong developmental point, they could well develop a fear of washing hair, associating it with pain.
Of course, this is easily avoided with the application of googles, or lathering up the hair out of the water (think wrapped in a towel, means you have greater control over the wiggly monster!)